Meeting Notes 2023

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Last updated: Dec 12, 2023
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Feb 1, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 1: Merge of Virtualization EG and Containerization EG
    • Synergy of the two EGs towards most hot topic in automotive world "Software-defined Vehicle" is the main reason
    • Jerry will be the leader of the whole EG to coordinate overall activities
    • Original container EG members will continue paticipate and contribute in the new EG
      • AWS will lead the development related containerzation part → megankn is looking for candidates
      • No worry about decreased activities about conternization
    • New EG will continue the three keywords defined by Daniel Cauchy to strengthen AGL advantages in SDV
      • Virtualizaiton
      • Conternization
      • Cloudification
  • Topic 2: Recent Events
  • Topic 3: Feature List
    • By   (AB meeting in )
    • Virtualization on  
    • Containerziation on  
    • Define the requirements of AGL for Software-defined Vehicle
      • Virtualization (hypervisor, device virtualization "VirtIO)
      • Conternization (application container and orchestration)
      • Cloud-native
    • Clearly define the use case that the group as a whole has consesus and develop a prototype that community members can work together (link with IC, IVI-EG):  A pure OSS solution using both virtualization and conternization
    • Virtualization
      • VirtIO in HV
      • VirtIO in non-HV
      • VirtIO across Multi-ECU
      • VirtIO in Cloud-Native
    • Conternization
      • Determine Container Type suitable for automotive use case:
        • LXC
        • Docker
        • ???
      • Evaluate the usage of application container inside AGL
      • Find/develop an OSS container engine and orechestrator (k3s?) fitting for AGL use case
    • Cloudification
      • Cloud-native Environment
      • Cloud service
      • CICD cloud infrastructure

Feb 15, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 1: Merge of Virtualization EG and Containerization EG
    • New Member: Francesco Salamida Principal Architect. Working with major OEMs about connectivity and SDV. Well experienced in Linux for decades.
    • New Name: Virtualization & Containers EG
      • Maybe coming some better and fancy names easy for remembering? Like "Software-defined Vehicle EG"
        • Having a fancy name with "Software-defined Vehicle EG"
          • Welcome to propose better name by  
        • And clearly defined the scope of the EG in technical perspective
      • Any other proposal?
  • Topic 2: Recent Events
  • Topic 3: Feature List
    • By   (AB meeting in )
    • Virtualization on  
    • Containerziation on  
    • Define the requirements of AGL for Software-defined Vehicle
      • Virtualization (hypervisor, device virtualization "VirtIO)
      • Conternization (application container and orchestration)
      • Cloud-native
    • Clearly define the use case that the group as a whole has consesus and develop a prototype that community members can work together (link with IC, IVI-EG):  A pure OSS solution using both virtualization and conternization
    • Virtualization
      • VirtIO in HV
      • VirtIO in non-HV
      • VirtIO across Multi-ECU
      • VirtIO in Cloud-Native
    • Conternization & Orchestration
      • Determine Container Type suitable for automotive use case:
        • LXC
        • docker
        • container-d
        • podman
        • ???
      • Evaluate the usage of application container inside AGL for IVI/IC use cases
        • implementaiton in SOAFEE is lacking graphic perspectives which has higher weight in AGL (SOAFEE is targeting more for ADAS/AD features)
      • Find/develop an OSS container engine and orchestrator (k3s?) fitting for AGL use case
    • Cloudification
      • Cloud-native Environment
      • Cloud service
      • CICD cloud infrastructure

Mar 1, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 1: Merge of Virtualization EG and Containerization EG
    • New Member: Francesco Salamida Principal Architect. Working with major OEMs about connectivity and SDV. Well experienced in Linux for decades.
    • New Name: Virtualization & Containers EG
      • Maybe coming some better and fancy names easy for remembering? Like "Software-defined Vehicle EG"
        • Having a fancy name with "Software-defined Vehicle EG"
          • Welcome to propose better name by  

        • And clearly defined the scope of the EG in technical perspective

          • Voting to setup offline with open votes to all community members 
            (but to be fair to active EG participants, weighted voting will be selected)

            Naming OptionsComments
            Virtualization & Containerization EG

            Virtualization EG

            Workload Orchestration EG

            Software-defined Vehicle EG




      • Any other proposal?
  • Topic 2: Recent Events
  • Topic 3: Feature List
    • By   (AB meeting in )
    • Virtualization on  
    • Containerziation on  
    • 2023 Roadmap
    • JIRA tickets to be created for tracing each features and defined sub-features as sub-ticket


Mar 21, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 1: AMM or EW
    • Successful AMM with 
  • Topic 2: Steering Communitee
    • Voting started
    • QA/Clarification about meeting will be arranged in SAT/EG
    • Proposal of VOS actities next year start from next EG and need some offline discussions
  • Topic 3: Whitepaper
    • Michele to suggest use with New Bing
    • Walt Miner to check with OEM's/AB's favor in participating the whitepaper drafting
    • Future of AGL?
      • AB/SC feature to have a champion
      • More focus on how to get people involved not on technial scope (new boundary of AGL)
    • A preliminary Whitepaper draft to be done by  
      • Title, Abstract, Index, Outline for the contents
      • Draft


Apr 4, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 


  • Topic 1: Feature List of EG
    • https://jira.automotivelinux.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=11800
    • Purpose should be stressed before going to detailed development.
      • Pipewire - libcamera with Flutter. 
      • Linux track for SDV better than G/A
      • Challenges of Mercedes in using OSS
        • Engamement with them may be one option
    • Concern on using docker in automotive
      • Need to be first define whether workload orchestration is useful in AGL use cases -> Need discussion in AMM Tokyo
      • Fact is that current there are no apparent use case in IVI so discussion should be important
        • Show one possible use case in the meeting to trigger the discussion on exploring other use cases (seed demo)
        • Gaps of SOAFEE stacks in terms of production - whether AGL members will really use those stack in product
        • Contribute as a demo is okay but whether some one will use will be another problem
      • Francesco Salamida  is using containerd is his demo (which main purpose is to show environment parity with container in the connectivy use cases - Fleetwise)
        • k3s + containerd
      • Path
        • ADAS
          • Existing in SOAFEE
          • What's the enabling technology for people?
            • k3s
            • What need to be in the software stack for people to reproduce the work by themselves?
          • Proprietary stacks in ADAS containers
          • Maybe not interested to SC members → ? need discussion in SC
        • Connectivity
          • Francesco demo
          • Maybe not interested to SC members
        • IVI
          • No existing use case → extremely hard to come out use cases and implement
          • Interested to most SC members
  • Topic 2: Steering Communitee
    • Voting started
    • QA/Clarification about meeting will be arranged in SAT/EG
    • Proposal of VOS actities next year start from next EG and need some offline discussions
  • Topic 3: Whitepaper
    • (Joke) Michele to suggest use with New Bing
    • Walt Miner to check with OEM's/AB's favor in participating the whitepaper drafting
    • Future of AGL?
      • AB/SC feature to have a champion
      • More focus on how to get people involved not on technial scope (new boundary of AGL)
    • A preliminary Whitepaper draft to be done by  
      • Title, Abstract, Index, Outline for the contents
      • Draft


Apr 18, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 0: New member:
    • Jas Dua - GSoC
    • Paul - Harman, ADAS
    • Sandro Bonazzola - Red Hat (RHIVOS)
    • Prasad - KPIT
  • Topic 1: Name Change
  • Topic 2: Feature List of EG
  • Topic 3: Virtual Open System Proposal for Funded items
  • Topic 4: Continue container discussion
    • Workload Orchestration
      • workload: a way to package application either to be VM or container
      • workload orchestration: how to schedule/deploy the pacakge inside one SoC or across multi-SoCs
      • Povisioning of SoC for the criticaility of the orchestration - provision problem
  • Topic 5: White Paper


May 16, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 0: Walt Minner
    • SDV-EG have all features ranked in top 10 SC voting (no.1~4 are all from SDV)
      • SDV - VirtIO
      • SDV - Container Orchestratioin
      • SDV - Unified HMI

Jun 13, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 1: Topics from SC
    • Non-hypervisor Work (virtio-loopback) has been approved by SC
      • Possible volume adjustment might happen due to overall over budget
      • Results of adjustment will be based on SC & AB discussion until July 
    • Start of work: Walt Miner will collect necessary documents and will coordinate with Michele Paolino . Hopefully work can be started from July.
  • Topic 2: Feature List of EG

    • SDV-EG  features got high ranks from SC vote (all entered top 3) 

      RankOriginal IDTask
      1SDV-003

      Further extend and enhance VirtIO as a common AGL device virtualization framework to decouple AGL software from underlying SW&HW platform on both physical ECU in edge and virtual ECU in cloud.

      2SDV-005

      Develop a prototype of workload orchestration & deployment starting from single SoC environment (workload examples: container, thin VM, posix process and etc.)

      3SDV-001Define the requirements and use cases of Software-defined Vehicle with AGL, focusing on the environment parity & workload orchestration
      4SDV-004

      Integrate Display Virtualization solution "Unified HMI" into AGL UCB to actualize cross-ECU/processor device virtualization

      7SDV-002Implement PoC with step-by-step MVPs containing key enabling technologies (Device Virtualization, Workload Orchestration and etc) for SDV to fulfill the requirements and use cases defined.
    • SDV-EG dashboard https://jira.automotivelinux.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=11800
    • Non-hypervisor features have been created and assigned to Michele Paolino as sub task of overall virtio activity ticket SPEC-4743
      • SPEC-4834
      • SPEC-4835
      • HW: M3 Starter Kit (already depreciated) → RcarH3 AGL Reference Hardware: Jerry is checking with OpenSynergy to get back the board.
        • Kernel version for RCarH3 is 5.10 → old kernel (question) maybe a blocker for the development possibly → Michele Paolino  to check
  • Topic 3: AMM ~  
    • CFP by  
      • Jerry, Zhao Jiancong to give an overall speech about whole EG activities
        • Michele Paolino  to give a session (remote) about virtio loopback → Confirmed
        • Kenta Murakami -san to give a session (onsite) about Unified HMI → Confirmed 
        • Francesco Salamida  to give a session about workload orchestration (need to check)  → nenadilic84 will check if any possiblity to give a presentation
        • Naoto YAMAGUCHI -san will also give a speech from IC-EG for the upstreaming progress.
  • Topic 4: Unified HMI Integration to AGL UCB
    • Presetnation of plan from ais_kohzu.fumiya -san
    • Commit is estimated to happen in a week and after commit see which release should be integrated.
  • Topic 5: Future AGL Work Focus Topics

Aug 29, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 1: CES Demo AGL Official Demo
    • Waiting for Walt come back to decide what topics to be presented in official demo
  • Topic 2: Unified HMI Re-commit Review
  • Topic 3: Non-HV VirtIO activities


Sep 19, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 1: Topic form SAT
    • Inter-VM Communication
      Wait until kazuki kuzu -san come back to lead the discussion (wink)

  • Topic 2: Non-HV VirtIO activities
  • Topic 3: Edge Tech+
    • Panasonic will exhibit Unified-HMI demo.
    • No further update

  • Topic 4: ALS
    • Panasonic will have three sessions.
      • First: Jerry for general SDV topic
      • Second: Kuzu for technical topic about virtio
      • Third: Unified HMI topic
      • Jerry, Zhao Jiancong  and kazuki kuzu : email Walt until next Tuesday.
        Title, speaker , etc...
    • Naoto YAMAGUCHI 
      Currently discussing internally about what type of session will have.
    • VOSYS
      • submitted one session about virtio-loopback.

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12/5~12/6 Open Source Summit Japan

12/5 Jerry, Zhao Jiancong  General SDV-EG presentation

12/6 Breakout sessions

  • kazuki kuzu  - Cloud-native VirtIO → Kuzu-san is not available on 5th
  • Panasonic Engineer - Unified HMI
  • Michele Paolino  - VirtIO-loopback (Non-HV VirtIO use cases)

12/7~12/8 AGL F2FWorkshop



Oct 3, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 1: Topic form SAT
    • Inter-VM Communication
      Wait until kazuki kuzu -san come back to lead the discussion (wink)

  • Topic 2: Non-HV VirtIO activities
  • Topic 3: Edge Tech+
    • Panasonic will exhibit Unified-HMI demo.
    • No further update

  • Topic 4: ALS
    • Panasonic will have three sessions.
      • First: Jerry for general SDV topic
      • Second: Kuzu for technical topic about virtio
      • Third: Unified HMI topic
      • Jerry, Zhao Jiancong  and kazuki kuzu : email Walt until next Tuesday.
        Title, speaker , etc...
    • Naoto YAMAGUCHI 
      Currently discussing internally about what type of session will have.
    • VOSYS
      • submitted one session about virtio-loopback.

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12/5~12/6 Open Source Summit Japan

12/5 Jerry, Zhao Jiancong  General SDV-EG presentation

12/6 Breakout sessions

  • kazuki kuzu  - Cloud-native VirtIO → Kuzu-san is not available on 5th
  • Panasonic Engineer - Unified HMI
  • Michele Paolino  - VirtIO-loopback (Non-HV VirtIO use cases)

12/7~12/8 AGL F2FWorkshop



Oct 17, 2023

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Oct 31, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 1: CES AGL Booth
    • Jerry will final check inside Panasonic about attending AGL Booth this year (plan to be platnium level)
      • Walt Miner to double confirm with event team about securing the place.
      • Walt Miner  to check with event team if there is already any infomation about logistics (by when and to where to ship the demo sets
    • CES AGL community demo:
      • Container based demo :
        • virtio-loopback-snd is used
        • Current status: virito-loopback sound is already working
          • virito-loopback-audio
          • Two audio stream from two frontend to use one single backend is not yet supported
            • However, there is an alternative to have two backends each one connected with one frontend
          • If any help is needed, Michele is able to support
          • Next Step: Yamaguchi-san will check the commit first.
            • P.8 will be a feasible option for CES implementation but need an additional coordinator to coordinate the priority of different audio streams.
      • Hypevisor based demo : KVM based - AGL UCB master
      • A demo from Toyota Joel (question) 
  • Topic 2: EdgeTech
  • Topic 3: ALS
    • Dec 4 Integration & Debugging Session for the AGL official Demo → maybe on 7 or 8 instead
    • Dec 5~6 ALS
    • Dec 7~8 AGL Workshop? 
  • Topic 4: Inter-VM Communication by kazuki kuzu 
  • Topic 5: Non-HV VirtIO implementation
    • 2023 - Common Device I/F between Virt-AGL and Non-Virt AGL - Phase 2
    • virtio-loopback version virtio-snd is already done.
    • Whether the AGL official demo is still needing this feature?
      • virtio-snd for hypervisor is needed
      • Michele has already verifed vhost-virtio-snd on KVM but not in the current commit plan
      • Scott suggested to put directly to the eg-virt for the vhost-virtio-snd receipe by  


Nov 14, 2023

Attendees:

Agenda: 

  • Topic 1: CES AGL Booth
    • Jerry will final check inside Panasonic about attending AGL Booth this year (plan to be platnium level)
      • Walt Miner to double confirm with event team about securing the place.
      • Walt Miner  to check with event team if there is already any infomation about logistics (by when and to where to ship the demo sets
    • CES AGL community demo:
      • yamaguchi-san has already check the commit for virtio-loopback, and it's fine.
      • next step: integrate the virtio-loopback
        • following is need for integration
  • Topic 2: EdgeTech
  • Topic 3: ALS
    • Dec 4 Integration & Debugging Session for the AGL official Demo → maybe on 7 or 8 instead
    • Dec 5~6 ALS
    • Dec 7~8 AGL Workshop? 
  • Topic 4: Inter-VM Communication by kazuki kuzu 
    • Hypervisor Cell →  Skip this team due to absence of Kuzu-san
    • Not enough update, move to next time.
  • Topic 5: Non-HV VirtIO implementation
    • Code review has already started.
      • virtio-adaptor and loopback-driver
    • the device side development
      • virtio-can: well progress
      • virtio-gpu: one or two weeks will good for make stable



Dec 12, 2023


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